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hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. moments from now, we could hear from president trump on camera for the first time since going to war with a leading lawmaker in his own party as more portions of senator bob corker's "new york times" interview comes to light painting the president as reckless and potentially dangerous. >> i do worry that he's -- sometimes i feel like he's on a reality show of some kind, you know, when he's talking about these big foreign policy issues. >> yeah. >> and, you know, he doesn't
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realize that, you know, that we could be heading towards world war iii with the comments that he's making. >> the president, remember, was quote/unquote not finished with corker according to a white house official and tweeted again this morning, this, the failing "new york times" set liddle bob corker up by recording his conversation was made to sound a fool and that's what i am dealing with. well, he's also dealing with this, from a fight with a member of his own party to more tension with a member of his own cabinet, the president planning lunch today with secretary of state rex tillerson. insert your favorite food fight joke here because i couldn't come up with a good one. this, of course, comes after the report surfaced that a frustrated tillerson had called his boss a moron over the summer. just this morning trump is firing back in a new interview with "forbes" magazine, asked about the moron report, trump said this, i think it's fake news but if he did that, i guess we'll have to compare i.q. tests and i can tell you who is going
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to win. cnn's kaitlan collins, always winning at the white house right now. caitlin, has the official vetting rules change for the white house do they include an i.q. test requirement? >> i don't know. we will have to see, kate, but this meeting is not the first time that tillerson and trump have talked since these tensions have been at an all-time high. we've reported they actually met in the oval office on friday. that's just days after tillerson held that press conference where he denied he had considered resigning from his position as secretary of state, but notably did not deny calling the president a moron over the summer. now a state department official tells my colleague, elise labott, that the president and tillerson did not discuss the moron remark when they met in the oval office on friday at the last minute to discuss a middle east issue but we're told their meeting at the white house today, this morning, before that lunch, with defense secretary james mattis, the president, tillerson and other national security officials are meeting
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to discuss issues like iran, and north korea, but it's a lot of face time for these two men where the tensions have really been at an all-time high. as you just brought up, that quote from the president in his interview with "forbes" where he essentially said he could beat tillerson in an i.q. test, and then in that same interview he was also asked about a very public disagreement between these two men lately, after tillerson told reporters he had a line of communication to north korea, the president swiftly got on twitter and said that tillerson should not waste his time trying to negotiate with north korea. now, in this interview the president was asked about that and he said he didn't see it as undermining tillerson, but that he was strengthening his authority. it's safe to say a lot of people did not see it that way, but the president is maintaining publicly he and tillerson have a good relationship, that they have a few disagreements, but overall, a good relationship. but it's safe to say there's a lot playing out behind closed doors here between the president
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and his top diplomats. >> and there's been no secret, there's been no secret rex tillerson has been frustrated in how things have been playing out as he -- as he has been secretary of state. but when we say the president thought he was strengthening authority, tillerson's authority or the president's authority, that can be a follow-up question this afternoon. little later when they sit down for lunch. caitlin, great to see you, thank you so much. president trump's former chief strategist has a message now for senator bob corker, pretty short and sweet, resign immediately. and steve bannon does not stop there. he says he's waging a war against the entire republican establishment. >> we're going to go after them and challenge them as a coalition -- >> the states. >> a coalition coming together that's going to challenge every republican incumbent except for ted cruz. >> dana bash joining me with new details on what bannon is planning. this is fascinating and important new reporting you've been pulling together. what is the master plan here for
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steve bannon? >> well, it's a plan in the works. i mean they're trying to get a sense of how to strategize, to come up with a national message and when i say national message, i'm talking about a national message for the challengers who are going to try to take out the incumbent republicans. there's no other way to put this, but an orchestrated, aggressive, civil war inside the gop. we saw something similar with the tea party in 2010, but a source close to bannon is arguing to, i should say -- i did this reporting with gloria and eric, is arguing that they want to do it in a more sort of calculated way, in a more careful way, to not get candidates who can topple the incumbent but then potentially not win in the general election in these states, so that is the
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goal, to have, you know, a whole national aggressive game here, and when we talk about consolidating and nationalizing the message, what he's trying to convince donors, grassroots organizers and leaders, is that that's the only way to try to glean from donald trump the message that he successfully used in 2016. populist message, us against them, the washington is broken, they're not there for you. it truly is as sort of at its core the most populist of messages and the goal is to try to overtake the republican party with that wing. >> what are the incumbents that he's targeting? it's basically virtually every republican that's up for re-election? what are the incumbents saying about this? >> not too much so far, but they're probably going to have to and they will have to, if there are legitimate candidates that challenge them, raise
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money, they're going to have to, you know, maybe think about how they're going to vote in the senate, and if they vote maybe in a way that is too moderate or that is too washington and establishment, then it could hurt them with the very base voters that they're going to need against these republican primary challengers in their states and just to be clear, look, we're talking about really popular incumbent senators in really red states. >> yeah. >> senators like john baraso of wyoming, deb fischer of nebraska. there are vulnerable republican incumbents but he doesn't want to -- bannon and his people who are going to help him with this, don't want to just focus on that. you know, the question also is, well if you spread yourself too thin, kate, what will that mean in terms of being able to really focus and again the argument that he is making is, better to spread yourself too thin because
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for them spreading themselves too thin the opposite side of that coin is mitch mcconnell and the establishment republicans having to defend many, many states they didn't even think about with important money. >> let's see how this plays out. 2018, coming fast and furious. thanks, dana. great to see you. >> you too. >> all right. joining me to discuss much more, chris aleeza is reporter and editor at large of cnn politics, mia mallika henderson, doug hyde, political commentator and former communications director for the republican national committee and eric beach co-chair of the great american alliance of pro-trump pac. let us begin where dana and i left off. everyone thought 2018 would be a defining moment but everyone thought at first it would be republican versus democrat defining that moment. now looks like it's republican versus republican. what do you think it's going to look like? >> i figured you came to me first because i worked for eric cantor and we had a bruising primary in 2014. >> i wasn't going to bring it up. >> the shot heard around the
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world on all of this. if people want to put primary challenges out there that's a good and fine thing to do, but let's be clear this targeting of every simm republican minus the one senator who called donald trump a sniveling coward which says follow the money will make it harder for donald trump to enact his agenda and that's the same thing we've seen with all of these fights with republican senators and members of congress. if donald trump is fighting with paul ryan or mitch mcconnell or now bob corker, he's taking his eye off the ball off tax reform and obama care repeal and all the things i hear from members whether more moderate or conservative members from very pro-trump districts they want to make sure that donald trump is doing everything that he can to stay out of his way to enact the trump agenda. >> one question, eric, i want to know if you guys are planning and playing in some of these races with steve bannon, where is mcconnell working against trump? if this is, you know, taking on the republican establishment and mitch mcconnell has become the boogie man of that? >> sure. in full disclosure we're partners this coalition so we're
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going to take on. i don't know that the narrative is as accurate as it's been reported. what we strive to do is really kind of go against the political consultansy class. they believe that you reach out to the middle and try to get 20% of the medium in the middle, and the moderate vote, try to moderate your candidates. i think what happens is, there's a disconnect between washington, d.c., and the leadership, and really around that trump coalition. that agenda is built around some core issues that people in d.c. we see on this, you know, the daca exchange bill if you want to call it that, on illegal immigration, job creation, and also unfair trade deals. that's something that leadership doesn't take up. these are the core issues that helped get donald trump elected, and i think what we're looking for are these trump coalition and these trump agenda candidates that will go out there not just in the primary, but we want candidates because we believe that there's an intensity on the ground, there's these new and low propensity voters that will turn out to vote in droves and help win general election. our model works. the old model does not.
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>> i mean, the low propensity voter that is a big part of this conversation and a big part of, of course, any 2018, any midterm conversation. let me ask you the same question i just asked eric, where are you seeing evidence that mitch mcconnell, who is the establishment here, is working against donald trump? >> well, i think the argument would be in terms of priorities and in terms of willingness to compromise. the reason that health care didn't go through because mitch mcconnell didn't push effectively enough on his members. mitch mcconnell tends towards compromise to cut a huge compromise to avert the fiscal cliff with joe biden back when barack obama was president. so i think it's really more about a willingness to play within the established d.c. system and a desire to have people who are not part of that system and won't play what those folks view as a game that does not benefit conservatives. this is not -- eric didn't make
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the case that it was and i think that's fair -- this is not really an ideological fight. it's more of an approach and tone fight. john baraso in wyoming is on all the voting measures, quite conservative. i would say the same thing about deb fischer, roger wicker. this is really about do you want to play within the system or do you think the system needs to be broken down and rebuilt in a different way. that's the bannon argument. it's not moderate versus conservative. >> just one final point op this, what role do you think the president plays when the primaries start kicking up? we saw the rnc doesn't get involved with primaries but when it comes to what happened in alabama, donald trump was on the losing side of that. that did not sit well with him, we know that. >> right. >> what happens coming up? >> and that's the big question, right. he was on the wrong side of that race in alabama, in some ways has been fuming ever since then, and that was a mitch mcconnell idea to have him play in that
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race. >> right. >> vesshe will have to figure o does he try to play in mississippi if there is a primary challenge, does he try to play in any of these other states. baraso, if there's a serious primary challenge against deb fischer. seems like it would be a waste of his time to play in these races because no matter what, it's very likely that a republican is going to emerge from those contests and a republican who is with donald trump, if not in tone, in temperment, certainly in terms of ideology, so he's got to figure out where he plays his time. i think sort of the benefit for him in 2018, bannon is smart here, i think, to make it sort of like a trump 2016 campaign in miniature, so you are getting i think, you know, in 2018, all of those hot button issues out there that donald trump ran on and won successfully on. in that way it's smart. you do get those low propensity voters engaged and energized in
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advance, again, of not only in 2018, but in advantage of 2020. i think from that point, i think it's a really smart thing. it's going to be chaos for some of these folks, particularly for people like dean heller and jeff flake, the ones likely going to be most worried about this but they were already probably going to have a serious challenge in those races anyway but now you've got sort of money and bannon and breitbart in these raise too, so they've got real cause to worry. >> meanwhile we're not -- >> but doug, i have to get you on something else, i got to go here because whenever anyone starts rebranding on senior member of the republican party, we got to go to it. donald trump now branding bob corker liddle bob corker and hitting at the senator again this morning. nia -- >> it's like a -- >> can i say it's a lame nickname. >> okay. >> i'm going to let doug go at this. >> nia not little. nia is quite tall. i will just throw that out there. nia is tall. why she finds this ridiculous.
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what -- with what's so intriguing about this back and forth is i haven't seen yet and maybe it will come, i haven't seen yet that a single republican come out to condemn what corker said in this interview. what does that mean? >> well, what bob corker said publicly is exactly what so many members of congress and in the senate, whether they're moderate or conservative, are saying every day. i remember on inning into gration day, i had -- inauguration day i had a congressman say to me, this is not going to end well so i'm going to focus on my committee and subcommittee. we should remember of those critical of corker and i understand if you want to be critical, those saying he should resign, bob corker like every senator and member of congress took an oath to protect and defend the constitution, not any politician, that's a big difference. >> eric, what's your view on this? newt gingrich was on cbs this morning and said this isn't helpful to the country or the republican party, they should have lunch and get over it. do you agree with newt? >> yeah. i think that's probably right. but i also think this, i think that there's the turn inside of washington, d.c., and you
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mentioned, you know, nobody's talking about trump on his issues, nobody is talking about, you know, the certain issues that they don't want to get done and the senate's, you know, approval ratings are in the teens because they haven't passed any reforms. i think they have a credibility problem there in the senate leadership. when you look at marsha blackburn in tennessee and kelli ward in arizona and danny tar cane nan in nevada, candidates that are going to come in and push towards these reforms that not just donald trump ran on, but the voters voted for. and right now what we're doing is we're discounting the voters. that's the problem with the republican party, is we're not capturing these new voters that came into our party that expect real reforms. >> you're saying that's what trump's not doing in this fight? what are you saying here? >> no. i'm saying that's what we're not doing in terms of the echo chamber in washington, d.c. we should embrace these new voters and the agenda trump ran on. we don't understand how he won and the reasons that he won and those certain states and all across the country.
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i mean the idea that, you know, senator corker and any other senator thinks that they're driving the narrative in pushing it forward, you know, into congress, i think is a false one. this is the trump coalition agenda that needs to be followed through with. >> well, let's ask bob corker about that, because he was just as elected by his constituents as donald trump was elected by the country. guys, stand by. great to see you. appreciate it. coming up for us, the president's war with the nfl apparently far from over. president trump now calling for a change to laws that give the league big tax breaks. where is that going to head? the death toll rising right now as wildfires are raging across california. at least 11 people are now dead. this is fast-moving wildfires. dozens more are in the hospital. more than a thousand homes and businesses destroyed. we will take you live to the heart of the disaster on how things are going there. wemost familiar companies,'s but we make more than our name suggests. we're an organic tea company. a premium juice company. a coconut water company.
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we are keeping an eye on the white house today. president trump is set to have lunch with secretary of state rex tillerson and defense secretary james mattis very, very soon. two of the men that senator bob corker says are in his words separating the country from chaos. but will mattis need to separate the president from his secretary of state today? that's one question. this awkward, somewhat awkward, meal comes after word that tillerson called the president a moron over the summer and, of course, after trump said in a new interview they just released
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today he has a higher i.q. the interview releasing this morning. of course will the president and his top diplomat be able to be diplomatic with each other while they break bread? joining me cnn's jim sciutto with more details on this. so much speculation that tillerson's days are numbered. what are you hearing right now? >> listen, if you look at recent history in the trump administration, there's been a lot of it because there have been a lot of departures. when disagreements with senior administration officials become public or accusations of backbiting, sniping, back stabbing, when they become public that person tends not to last long. look at sean spicer, look at reince priebus. and certainly with tillerson, a lot of these disagreements not just the comment allegedly calling the president a moron, but disagreements on issues of policy, how to respond to north korea. for instance, the focus on diplomacy. so those things if we look at past experience don't bode well
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for the current secretary of state. i had the opportunity yesterday to ask former dni james clapper what his sense was, this is someone who served multiple administrations, democrat and republican at multiple levels, here's what he had to say and i have to say it was not a sanquine prediction from mr. clapper. >> i would hope he would, but i think it's going to be increasingly difficult with him to with the president kind of undercutting what he's trying to do. i think secretary tillerson has the right instincts about particularly with respect to say north korea, that exploring what the potential paths are diplomatically, and i think that's the only way ahead. so to me, secretary tillerson is a voice of reason. >> voice of reason there. certainly an endorsement from dni clapper and you hear that
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from others currently serving and the past administration. but again, as director clapper said there, when those disagreements become public, it's difficult to see how the two can live in the same administration, so to speak. >> yeah. so to speak, absolutely. they got to be on the same page and they're not in the same book. thank you so much. >> thank you. joining me to discuss this further political scientist and head of the eurasia group ian brenner and analyst tony brinken served as deputy secretary of state under president obama. ian, what do you think? you heard from dni clapper there, a lot of folks think his days are numbered, do you think he should -- tillerson should stick around as long as he can? do you think he can be effective now that the president in an interview is questioning his i.q.? >> no. but i don't think he was effective before then. in that sense it's different from our chief of staff, very different from secretary of defense. i think that tillerson's made
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his name most saying he was going to cut the diplomatic score, reduce the budget. congress didn't let him do it. even if that is what you wanted to have done he wasn't effective in executing it. mattis, secretary of defense, is revealed in the pentagon and by the armed services. tillerson is not. and while i think very highly of tillerson, i've known him for a long time, i don't think he's effective at all in this administration. respectfully i don't consider him to be one of the adults that's keeping the united states from crisis or world war iii. there are others who could be more effective in this job and tillerson should go. >> the timing is one question i have for you, tony. what is more troubling, a secretary of state that doesn't have the confidence or isn't effective because he doesn't have the confidence of the president or a vacancy right now? >> kate, i think there's a laermg problem here that goes beyond secretary tillerson. there's been some speculation that the president has been engaged in an elaborate good cop/bad cop routine and i think what we're seeing is the president is a rogue cop.
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the administration speaks with one voice except for the president on issue after issue. whether it's north korea, where virtually everyone including tillerson has tried to get them to calm the rhetoric, he's ratcheted it up. on iran, stay in the deal, the president wants to pull out. on the dispute between saudi arabia and qatar, tillerson and others are trying to calm it, the president is adding fuel to the fire. of course on russia, the president the only one in the administration who denies that the russians were trying to influence and affect our election. so this -- even whether tillerson stays or goes there's a larger problem which is the disconnect between the president and virtually everyone on his team. >> i think that's right. but if i was going to disagree with liddle tony on one point here -- >> sorry. >> he's bigger than i am. i can say that. like the corker/trump dynamic. i'm not sure if he's a rogue cop or out there saying stuff that isn't actually policy. tony is completely right that trump has been saying lots of things but if you look at what policy has actually been so
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far -- >> who is to believe -- if you're an ally in any sense blowing up right now you spoke to many of them who do you believe? >> they were worried six months ago. now they increasingly, i saw so many when they were here for the united nation's general assembly meeting months ago, we don't pay attention to the tweets, the media does, but that's not where policy is going. if mattis were suddenly gone, i mean, if suddenly we actually saw policy, so you think about syria, you thing about afghanistan, there was a lot of talk of america first, we're not going to do this stuff, turns out we're expanding and looks like hillary clinton's policy would have been. nato, obsolete, sticking with nato. north korea, going to bomb them. actually no, we're leading the u.s. multilateral process. >> u.n. >> with the u.n. >> so i think tony is completely right. that there is an enormous difference between what trump is saying with what the americans are doing, everyone else in this
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administration. i would suggest so far on most foreign policy and national security issues trump is more to be seen than believedp. >> more to be seen than believed. >> that's right. >> that's what you're hearing from allies. >> tony, another meeting happening today i'm fascinated which we could be there for. the president's meeting with henry kissinger, any moment now, hopefully we will get video of that, could be the first time we could hear from the president since a multitude of his feuds have erupted. what do you think the advice is to the president on his foreign policy tweets like those against north korea. >> i would love to be able to borough into secretary kissinger's mind to see what he really thinks and i would hope the president doesn't challenge him to an i.q. test. that probably wouldn't end up very well. look, i hope secretary kissinger is counseling the president on rash chetting down the rhetoric with kim jong-un. i think he's right a lot of people are discounting what the president is tweeting. i worry kim jong-un will take it seriously. there really is a danger he bombasts us into some kind of
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conflukts because kim could misinterpret what the president is saying in terms of the threats he's issuing on an almost daily basis to sort of feed his own paranoia out to change the regime. i hope secretary kissinger counsels him on restraint in the way he talks about these problems and trying to develop a comprehensive strategy to deal with it. that's what we need now. >> but the comprehensive strategy, the tweets, you don't believe him but trump in this new interview when asked about when he said tillerson was wasting his time asked if he was undermining and he said he was wasting his time. i'm not undermining him. i'm strengthening authority. >> tillerson was on the way back from china trying to get more engagement with the chinese when trump said that. it undermines tillerson's relevance and they don't know if they should be talking to jared who had been setting up the mar-a-lago meeting. kissinger was undermined in china. when trump won he was talking to jared, talking to trump, he goes
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to china, let the chinese government know and kissinger's revered in china. >> of course. >> says i'm the guy, i know this, everything is okay, meets with xi jinping, the next day when trump got that phone call with the taiwanese president. kissinger was incensed, undermined, he came back, but ultimately trump is still the president, kissinger is going and talking to him. >> let's see what comes out of that meeting. stand by for that. ian, tony, both of you, liddle and big, great to see you. next time put you around the same table to really get in a fight. coming up stunning new details we are just getting in about the las vegas massacre. police now say that the shooter attacked a security guard minutes before he turned his fire on the crowd below. this is a change in the timeline than what police originally thought. what does this change about the investigation. we will go live to las vegas. we will be right back.
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a new timeline, escape plan, new interviews with investigators, coming out about the mass shooting in las vegas. police now say that the gunman actually shot the security guard a full six minutes before beginning his attack on concertgoers far below the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay last weekend, of course. that is different from what investigators actually first thought about the timeline. what does this now mean for the investigation? over to scott mclean who joins me now from las vegas. scott, what is this new timeline and what does it mean? >> hey, kate, well the clarke county sheriff here says this is a minute change to the timeline, but it raises a pretty significant question, which is why did the suspect stop firing down at those concertgoers?
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we know that it wasn't because of police, because they didn't arrive on the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay hotel where he was until two minutes after he stopped firing. we also know now, based on this new timeline, that it wasn't the security guard that made him stop either. originally the theory was that jesus campos the security guard arrived on the 32nd floor and was shot by the suspect, but that his mere presence there distracted the shooter and stopped him from shooting down on the concertgoers. that is no longer true, though, because as you pointed out, he was actually shot by the suspect, engaged by the suspect, a clear six minutes before that shooting actually started in the first place. so it is still true that he went up to the 32nd floor because of an alarm set off by an open door. it still may be true that he gave police information on where exactly the suspect's room was, but that does not answer the question as to why the suspect
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stopped shooting in the first place, kate? >> fascinating stuff. scott, appreciate it. thank you for the update. with me cnn law enforcement analyst former assistance director of the u.s. mashl service. art, for what scott was laying out there for us, he shot -- he shot the security guard before he started firing. what do you -- what does that change here? >> you know, i know the sheriff said it's a minute change in the timeline but the reality of it is it's a change in response from law enforcement, from the initial response, because here you have an individual, he gets shot, the security guard gets shot he calls it in, and you think you have a confined area where a shooting has occurred, so that changes response from law enforcement. you're still going to get a pretty good response, but it's not going to be the response that you would get with an individual shooting into crowd of concertgoers. it does -- it does mess up the timeline quite a bit, so now i think what the sheriff has to do is come back and account for what was occurring in that five-minute time frame.
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we've heard he was possibly drilling into the wall, the security guard reported hearing drilling, i think over the weekend, i listened to some interviews from some of the s.w.a.t. team members that got in and they said he was trying to brace the door. so i mean there's still a lot of questions to be answered. and he really hasn't come up with any real evidence as to what the escape plan was and how he knew there was an escape plan. >> there's that and also now a question of what made him stop shooting, right. because there's so many magazines, so many guns in the room. but now we know it definitely was not the security guard that stopped him from shooting in the crowd after i believe again it was 11 minutes he was opening fire. how important is that answer? what made him stop shooting? >> we don't even know if he had broken the windows at that point in time because he had to smash through the window first with a sledgehammer in order to get a field of fire. we don't know if he was trying to do that in the interim, trying to rebrace the door. i mean the sheriff has to come back and account for those five
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minutes what occurred between the time that campos was shot and the time that he started shooting into the crowd. and then you have to add on -- >> then add in the time he was shooting in the crowd and what made him stop shooting, what eventually made him stop shooting because that initially was thought that was the security guard? >> right. >> and we don't know if his weapons jammed. he had some jammed weapons in the room. >> okay. >> he might have been moving back and forth to each window which would have take an little bit of time. i'm sure he had weapons stashed at each window he would run from this window to that window and start firing. >> you mentioned the escape plan. the sheriff went into detail of what leads him to believe that there was a real escape plan. >> right. >> in place. are you skeptical of that? >> i am. because if he's bracing that door like the s.w.a.t. team members have said who actually got into the room first, then how was he going to get out? it seems like he might have thought he might have got away and had plan b, c, or d, but whether he really knew he was going to be able to get away or
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not, i just don't think so. i think he had a plan to possibly get away, knowing that the probability of him actually getting out of that room was probably zero. >> probably zero. we see how it all now ended. of course still the question that doesn't seem like we get closer to the question of why. what led to all of this. that's still remains out there as well. art, great to see you. thank you so much. >> thanks. >> me a moment for us -- any moment for us, heading back to washington as president trump meets with henry kissinger. this is the first time the president speaks to cameras since he launched into his war of words with senator bob corker. what is speaking about with the secretary of state, what are his words now for the republican senator bob corker, and also, what does he have to say about his i.q. test and his secretary of state rex tillerson. stay with us. (vo) dogs have evolved,
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>> we are waiting right now to hear from president trump on. meeting in the oval office with henry kissinger, this will be the first time he will be speaking to cameras since his war of words erupted with bob corker. adult daycare coming from corker and little bob corker coming from president trump. that's not all the president is doing. he is still going after the nfl on twitter also. why is the nfl getting massive tax breaks? at the same time disrespecting our anthem, flag and country. the president got more personal attacking him. this comes after espn suspended hill calling for her tweet and a boycott of the dallas cowboys and sponsors and advertisers after jerry jones said if folks kneel, they will be benched. i want to bring in the correspondent and host of reliable sources. great to see you. >> you too. >> where are things with this
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right now. that's where we can start. >> trump versus the nfl. this is a parallel to the nfl that responded to the president saying we don't have a tax exempt status. we don't get big tax breaks the way you are claiming. they gave that out for the most part in 2015. it was always paying taxes on the revenue and saying the idea that we receive a tax break is not true. on the facts there, the nfl challenging the president as we head into another week of nfl games. >> it seems that the president and now the vice president want to stay on this. this started once again with the vice president over the weekend leaving the colts game because the 49ers were kneeling. this had kind of gone away. >> it was fading away. only nine players were kneeling when president trump brought it up and then we saw coordinated protests by many nfl players. anti-trump protests and then it
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faded away and the nfl does not want this to be an issue. pence brought it up over the weekend and going eafr espn, every time you see him criticizing an athlete or prominent african-american host on espn, there is a racial component and that's how a lot of people perceive it. a lot of colleagues set it up questioning the suspension and saying why is it that hill violates the social media policy and she did, why is it so important and the leader of the free world is the most impulsive tweeter at all? it's a strange situation. >> there is juxtaposition there. let's see what happens next. the president doesn't want to give it up at all. >> he is relishing the fights and he had another chance. >> great to see you. thank you. >> coming up for us, we will keep an eye to the white house with the president and former secretary of state henry
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>> welcome to inside politics. president trump having lunch with his secretary of state. the breaking of bread comes a week after report it wassed he called the boss a moron. >> he has excellent people, secretary tillerson. incredibly intelligent individuals. i find greater comfort when he is briefed on the challenges. >> don't look for a peace making lu

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